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PostSubject: Did the man really walk on the moon ?   Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:46 am

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Did man really walk on the Moon or was it the ultimate camera trick, asks David Milne? The greater lunar lie. In the early hours of May 16, 1990, after a week spent watching old video footage of man on the Moon, a thought was turning into an obsession in the mind of Ralph Rene. David Milne (09-17-07)

"How can the flag be fluttering," the 47 year old American kept asking himself, "when there's no wind on the atmosphere free Moon?" That moment was to be the beginning of an incredible Space odyssey for the self-taught engineer from New Jersey. He started investigating the Apollo Moon landings, scouring every NASA film, photo and report with a growing sense of wonder, until finally reaching an awesome conclusion: America had never put a man on the Moon. The giant leap for mankind was fake.

It is of course the conspiracy theory to end all conspiracy theories. But Rene has now put all his findings into a startling book entitled NASA Mooned America. Published by himself, it's being sold by mail order - and is a compelling read.

The story lifts off in 1961 with Russia firing Yuri Gagarin into space, leaving a panicked America trailing in the space race.

At an emergency meeting of Congress, President Kennedy proposed the ultimate face saver, put a man on the Moon. With an impassioned speech he secured the plan an unbelievable 40 billion dollars. And so, says Rene (and a growing number of astro-physicists are beginning to agree with him), the great Moon hoax was born.

Between 1969 and 1972, seven Apollo ships headed to the Moon. Six claim to have made it, with the ill fated Apollo 13--whose oxygen tanks apparently exploded halfway--being the only casualties.

But with the exception of the known rocks, which could have been easily mocked up in a lab, the photographs and film footage are the only proof that the Eagle ever landed. And Rene believes they're fake. For a start, he says, the TV footage was hopeless. The world tuned in to watch what looked like two blurred white ghosts gambol threw rocks and dust. Part of the reason for the low quality was that, strangely, NASA provided no direct link up. So networks actually had to film "man's greatest achievement" from a TV screen in Houston--a deliberate ploy, says Rene, so that nobody could properly examine it.

By contrast, the still photos were stunning. Yet that's just the problem. The astronauts took thousands of pictures, each one perfectly exposed and sharply focused. Not one was badly composed or even blurred. As Rene points out, that's not all:

* The cameras had no white meters or view finders. So the astronauts achieved this feet without being able to see what they were doing.
* There film stock was unaffected by the intense peaks and powerful cosmic radiation on the Moon, conditions that should have made it useless.
* They managed to adjust their cameras, change film and swap filters in pressurized clubs. It should have been almost impossible to bend their fingers. .

Award winning British photographer David Persey is convinced the pictures are fake. His astonishing findings are explained alongside the pictures on these pages, but the basic points are as follows:

* The shadows could only have been created with multiple light sources and, in particular, powerful spotlights. But the only light source on the Moon was the sun.
* The American flag and the words "United States" are always brightly lit, even when everything around is in shadow.
* Not one still picture matches the film footage, yet NASA claims both were shot at the same time.
* The pictures are so perfect, each one would have taken a slick advertising agency hours to put them together. But the astronauts managed it repeatedly.

David Persey believes the mistakes were deliberate, left there by "whistle blowers", who were keen for the truth to one day get out. If Persey is right and the pictures are fake, then we've only NASA's word that man ever went to the Moon. And, asks Rene, why would anyone fake pictures of an event that actually happened?

The questions don't stop there. Outer space is awash with deadly radiation that emanates from solar flares firing out from the sun. Standard astronauts orbiting earth in near space, like those who recently fixed the Hubble telescope, are protected by the earth's Van Allen belt. But the Moon is 240,000 miles distant, way outside this safe band. And, during the Apollo flights, astronomical data shows there were no less than 1,485 such flares.

John Mauldin, a physicist who works for NASA, once said shielding at least two meters thick would be needed. Yet the walls of the Lunar Landers which took astronauts from the spaceship to the moons surface were, said NASA, "about the thickness of heavy duty aluminum foil". How could that stop this deadly radiation? And if the astronauts were protected by their space suits, why didn't rescue workers use such protective gear at the Chernobyl meltdown, which released only a fraction of the dose astronauts would encounter? Not one Apollo astronaut ever contracted cancer--not even the Apollo 16 crew who were on their way to the Moon when a big flare started.

"They should have been fried," says Rene. Furthermore, every Apollo mission before number 11 (the first to the Moon) was plagued with around 20,000 defects a-piece. Yet, with the exception of Apollo 13, NASA claims there wasn't one major technical problem on any of their Moon missions. Just one defect could have blown the whole thing. "The odds against this are so unlikely that God must have been the co-pilot," says Rene.

Several years after NASA claimed its first Moon landing, Buzz Aldrin "the second man on the Moon"--was asked at a banquet what it felt like to step on to the lunar surface.

Aldrin staggered to his feet and left the room crying uncontrollably. It would not be the last time he did this. "It strikes me he's suffering from trying to live out a very big lie," says Rene. Aldrin may also fear for his life. Virgil Grissom, a NASA astronaut, was due to pilot Apollo 1. In January 1967, he baited the Apollo program by hanging a lemon on his Apollo capsule (in the US, unroadworthy cars are called lemons) and told his wife Betty: "if there is ever a serious accident in the space program, it's likely to be me."

Nobody knows what fuelled his fears, but by the end of the month he and his two co-pilots were dead, burnt to death during a test run when their capsule, pumped full of high pressure pure oxygen, exploded. Scientists couldn't believe NASA's carelessness--even a chemistry student in high school knows high pressure oxygen is extremely explosive. In fact, before the first manned Apollo fight even cleared the launch pad, a total of 11 would be astronauts were dead. Apart from the three who were incinerated, seven died in plane crashes and one in a car smash. Now this is a spectacular accident rate.

"One wonders if these 'accidents' weren't NASA's way of correcting mistakes," says Rene. "Of saying that some of these men didn't have the sort of 'right stuff' they were looking for."

NASA won't respond to any of these claims, their press office will only say that the Moon landings happened and the pictures are real. But a NASA public affairs officer called Julian Scheer once delighted 200 guests at a private party with footage of astronauts apparently on a lunar landscape. It had been made on a mission film set and was identical to what NASA claimed was they real lunar landscape.

"The purpose of this film," Scheer told the enthralled group, "is to indicate that you really can fake things on the ground, almost to the point of deception." He then invited his audience to "come to your own decision about whether or not man actually did walk on the Moon". A sudden attack of honesty? You bet, says Rene, who claims the only real thing about the Apollo missions were the lift offs. The astronauts simply have to be on board, he says, in case the rocket exploded. "It was the easiest way to ensure NASA wasn't left with three astronauts who ought to be dead," he claims, adding that they came down a day or so later, out of the public eye (global surveillance wasn't what it is now) and into the safe hands of NASA officials, who whisked them off to prepare for the big day a week later.

And now NASA is planning another giant step--project Outreach, a one trillion dollar manned mission to Mars. "Think what they'll be able to mock up with today's computer graphics," says Rene chillingly. "Special effects was in its infancy in the 60's. This time round will have no way of determining the truth."

Space oddities:

* Apollo 14 astronaut Allen Shepard played golf on the Moon. In front of a worldwide TV audience, Mission Control teased him about slicing the ball to the right. Yet a slice is caused by uneven air flow over the ball. The Moon has no atmosphere and no air.
* A camera panned upwards to catch Apollo 16's Lunar Lander lifting off the Moon. Who did the filming?
* One NASA picture from Apollo 11 is looking up at Neil Armstrong about to take his giant step for mankind. The photographer must have been lying on the planet surface. If Armstrong was the first man on the Moon, then who took the shot?
* The pressure inside a space suit was greater than inside a football. The astronauts should have been puffed out like the Michelin Man, but were seen freely bending their joints.
* The Moon landings took place during the Cold War. Why didn't America make a signal on the Moon that could be seen from Earth? The PR would have been phenomenal and it could have been easily done with magnesium flares.
* Text from pictures in the article show only two men walked on the Moon during the Apollo 12 mission. Yet the astronaut reflected in the visor has no camera. Who took the shot?
* The flags shadow goes behind the rock so doesn't match the dark line in the foreground, which looks like a line cord. So the shadow to the lower right of the spaceman must be the flag. Where is his shadow? And why is the flag fluttering?
* How can the flag be brightly lit when its not facing any light ?
* And where, in all of these shots, are the stars?
* The Lander weighed 17 tons yet the astronauts feet seem to have made a bigger dent in the dust.
* The powerful booster rocket at the base of the Lunar Lander was fired to slow descent to the moons service. Yet it has left no traces of blasting on the dust underneath. It should have created a small crater, yet the booster looks like it's never been fired...

http://www.krishna.org/Articles/2000/12/00227.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Moon_Landing_hoax_conspiracy_theories

the one from wiki is too long just go there and read


on personal note none of the astronot accept to swear on the bible they land on the moon
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PostSubject: Re: Did the man really walk on the moon ?   Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:59 am

You seem to be a big fan of large-scale conspiracy theories. Oh well, time for some debunking. I'll address your concerns as they come.

1. The flag was not fluttering; while in images it may appear to be, in reality, the flag was standing still in a sort of 'wavy' shape because of the way in which the astronauts were forced to move it into position. If you watch the video from the moonlanding, you'll see that the flag remains motionless as soon as they stop touching it.

2. I'm not going to go into detail over the moonrocks, other than saying that almost every single scientific study done upon them, in and out of NASA, that has been published has found that they indeed from the moon. Your article stated that they could easily be made in a lab, but makes no mention as to how, or even if the technoglogy to do so was feasible back at the time. Similarly, the rocks gathered were nearly identical to those sample from the Russian lunar landing later in the century.

3. The footage taken was bound to be garbled from natural interference and dust. While the pictures may have seemed perfect, in truth, NASA only released the best images they had, much like you only choose to display the photographs of yourself that don't make you look bad; they took many more poor-quality photos. The 'targetting' marks that would normally appear on such images were near-invisible as a result of overexposure on the white lines, which would cause them to blend in with the background. Stars were not visible because it was daytime, and the cameras were set for such, meaning they were incapable of detecting the faint specks of light that they would provide. Shadows were distorted as a result of uneven terrain, crossed with reflection of light from the Earth itself and lunar dust causing a shift. What may be seen as the strange angles from photographs' shadows is actually a result of the 'vanishing point', in which all images tend to bend into a single point on the horizon, much as they do in your vision.

4. The so-called Space Radiation, technically from the Van Allen belt (and a few other minor sources) actually did affect the astronauts, but because the moon is at ten times the distance, they only spent about half an hour, while in their spacecraft with protective aluminum casing, in the belt itself. Additionally, the planned trajectory was chosen to minimize the level of radiation exposure on the astronauts themselves. James Van Allen, the scientist to actually discover the belt, similarly refuted the claims that the radiation would be too harmful for the mission to be conceivable. Many of the astronauts did, however, develop adverse side-effects from the trip, with thirty-six developing cataracts as a result of radiation exposure. As for the supposed film-related problems that would come about from the radiation, this would only be caused if said film was stored in improper containers; however, much like the film of the lunar probes, they were safely contained in protective metal canisters.

5. As for the deaths, while several of the Apollo-involved astronauts, and a few related civilians, the astronauts themselves were all slain due to their jobs, with the exception of one who died of a heart attack in 1991. Similarly, there were many more unrelated astronauts to die in-between the deaths of these ten-or-so men, including a number of completely disconncted Russian Cosmonauts. Space travel is dangerous, and the majority of these people died either as a result of space Shuttle issues (Apollo 1 fire) or training jet crashes (all the same model, T-38's).

6. Alan Shepard was teased about slicing the ball to the right. He didn't actually slice it, the ball just went at a strange angle due to him using a makeshift six iron and having poor maneuverability in the bulky space suits.

7. The lunar lander only weighed a comparative 3 tons on the moon, and had a very large surface area, thus meaning it held a lower comparative force per area unit than the astronauts, whose weight, though less than the lander, was focused on an area significantly smaller.

8. There is no booster rocket crater, because as the lander approached the moon's surface, the engine was throttled down a great deal. As it no longer needed to, quote, 'rapidly decelerate, the descent engine only had to support the weight of the lunar module itself, which was significantly lessened by the consumption of the liquid propellants.'

Edit: Damn, I just checked your wikipedia link, and it basically says everything I've said here. Wasted half an hour.
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PostSubject: Re: Did the man really walk on the moon ?   Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:19 am

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who say i agreed with that ^^ i just like people to speak and think Razz

there was a reason why i dint put on the wiki link Razz then ending ruin all teh drama i want to create ^^

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8. There is no booster rocket crater, because as the lander approached the moon's surface, the engine was throttled down a great deal. As it no longer needed to, quote, 'rapidly decelerate, the descent engine only had to support the weight of the lunar module itself, which was significantly lessened by the consumption of the liquid propellants.'

yep^and that why the only goosd idea of bush ever add is to create a bnase on the moon to lauch futur expedition for other planet. it alot easier to laucjh stufff from the moon them the earth.and if i remember correctly we can do water and air from moon ground
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PostSubject: Re: Did the man really walk on the moon ?   Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:36 pm

Too much pot ouglouk.

You really should cut back.
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PostSubject: Re: Did the man really walk on the moon ?   Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:55 pm

dude on the long run making a base on the moon is the best way to send stuff in space. Ask anybody who working in astronomy. Since you can make the fuel from the moon it self you only have to estaplish a base there firt. And befroe thinking about going anywhere else we should start with a guinepig base like the internationnal module.
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PostSubject: Re: Did the man really walk on the moon ?   Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:12 pm

Ouglouk wrote:
dude on the long run making a base on the moon is the best way to send stuff in space.

You still have to get the stuff out of earth's atmosphere first.

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PostSubject: Re: Did the man really walk on the moon ?   Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:24 pm

Yep but one of the main thing is the fuel. And you can make it from the moon it self.
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PostSubject: Re: Did the man really walk on the moon ?   Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:28 pm

Ouglouk wrote:
Yep but one of the main thing is the fuel. And you can make it from the moon it self.

What are you gonna make on the moon, there is nothing there persay usable to make whatever it is youd want to make. So again, youd have to get it out of earth's atmosphere first.

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PostSubject: Re: Did the man really walk on the moon ?   Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:23 pm

Yel but from the moon you can send bigger ship. bigger mean they are make to do bigger distance with less fuel since the gravitie is weaker.Because you will need bigger ship them to go on mars for example, but you can send make small trip it doom to fail.Soo after you got the material there you can build up stuff like bigger ship and at the same time use as a beta base. Failure on moon can by repair failure on mars = death
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PostSubject: Re: Did the man really walk on the moon ?   Wed Jun 11, 2008 10:28 pm

oug you make me sad Sad i guess its a reflection on orc hunters more than anything else.

no one can be this fucking silly. so you must be taking the piss.

whats next? OMG SPACE ALIENS DESIGNED MY UNDIES THATS WHY THEY CAN CUP MY BALLS SO WELL (like yo momma).
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PostSubject: Re: Did the man really walk on the moon ?   Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:27 pm

shhh dont ruin everything ! that my most succesfull post yet Very Happy

Dont forget i most defend the man GWB !!! the only man with conviction on this cursed earth !

God bless america !
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PostSubject: Re: Did the man really walk on the moon ?   Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:23 am

Yes, man did.
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PostSubject: Re: Did the man really walk on the moon ?   Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:20 am

you shkip some post and you dint read everything you little lazy bastard Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Did the man really walk on the moon ?   Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:46 pm

I've seen enough of your threads to know that you most likely coppied and pasted the question from "The Weekly World News". Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Did the man really walk on the moon ?   Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:28 pm

it not copy let inspire Razz

but im really happy to play with smart people . No one fall for it sadly Razz agreed with me

we got a smart guild... damn now i will look dumb rendeer
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PostSubject: Re: Did the man really walk on the moon ?   Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:55 am

You don't look dumb. I mean.... look at your forum avatar. <3
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PostSubject: Re: Did the man really walk on the moon ?   Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:04 am

LoL want you ear me you will see it even feet more them anything else ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Did the man really walk on the moon ?   Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:18 pm

Oug is like a loveable teddy bear.
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PostSubject: Re: Did the man really walk on the moon ?   Fri Jun 13, 2008 4:29 pm

LoL you dont even know Wink nahh i somehow sound more like a german want i speak in english them french and i got a fairly deep voice
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PostSubject: Re: Did the man really walk on the moon ?   Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:37 pm

Ouglouk wrote:
LoL you dont even know Wink nahh i somehow sound more like a german want i speak in english them french and i got a fairly deep voice

You did not sound anything german when you talked in vent.

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PostSubject: Re: Did the man really walk on the moon ?   Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:44 pm

Well not what other guild told me O_o
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